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To EF or not to EF, that is the question...

October 12th, 2006 at 03:25 pm

And the debate about an EF vs paying down high interest debt rages on... For those of you sitting on the fence, or possibly looking for some fresh information and a new perspective, here is some food for thought.

Background: I was a sales and customer service Trainer up until 6/30 of this year when they closed our location and I was laid off. Ugh... For the first time in my life, I applied for unemployment. After my experience with unemployment, (which is something you as a worker NEVER pay for, it's paid for by the company that employs you), I now have a different view on the need and design of my EF, and here's why.

One needs to seriously take a look at one's expenditures and get an idea of what exactly you have to pay each month if you were to be unemployeed. Housing, utilities, minimums on debt. Keep in mind that you will likely want to keep things like internet access and phone service, b/c they make it easier to fidn a job and get interviews, and your gas budget may go up driving around looking for jobs. Other things, like cable TV and your lawn service can probably be cut. Get a number. For me, it's $2100 give or take.

Now, go to

Text is Labor Department and Link is http://www.workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/map.asp
Labor Department and rom there go to your state's Unemployment Office website. Research there, or even call them if you need to. This is important, b/c this could make or break your decision for an EF.

[*] What is the waiting time for benefits to begin?
[*] How are benefits calculated, and is there a maximum benefit amount?
[*] Are taxes taken out automatically or do you have the option to have no taxes removed?
[*] How long do you get benefits, and is there a possibility of extending them under certain circumstances?

Alright. Here in SC there is a 1 week waiting period after you lose your job, then you wait a week and file, and it takes about a week to get the check, so I estimate a 3 wk waiting period. Benefits are calulated at 50% of your earings for the past 5 quarters up to $303 per week pre-tax. Please note that if you make 100k per year, unemployment is likely NOT going to pay you half, or 50k, in benefits. SC gives you the option to have no state or federal taxes removed, and you receive benefits for 13 weeks with the option to extend another 13 weeks if approved for a total of 26 weeks (6 months).

Now, take the max you can get per wk from unemployment, multiply by 4, and that's what you'll get per month. In my case, $1212. DH gives me $1100 per month for household expenses (and keeps $500 for allowance), so his pay and unemployment will actually cover my expenses and then some for 6 months. Cool.

What if he gets laid off at the same time, you say? My 1212 plus his 1212 = $2424, more than enough to pay expenses.

So, here was my revelation: I can get up to 6 months unemployment which, at my current budget, will more than cover all necessary expenses. It takes on average 6 months to find a job, so the need to an EF in case I loose my job is actually quite low. Therefore, I feel secure in diverting most of my extra income directly to debt while stashing away a very small amount ($500-$1000) to cover medical co-pays or car repairs should they happen.

Any thoughts?

8 Responses to “To EF or not to EF, that is the question...”

  1. Ima saver Says:
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    I could not sleep at night if I did not have a large emergency fund, but that is just me! I am a worrier!

  2. koppur Says:
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    I am splitting my "extra" money between the two. After I have paid my regular monthly CC payment and bills, anything extra gets split: 2/3 on the CC bills, 1/3 in the EF. I figure I've lived this long w/out an EF, I can get by a little bit longer.

  3. miclason Says:
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    ...If you don't work, you don't eat...there are no unemployment benefits (of ANY kind) in ES...in fact, if you lose your job, you also lose your right to medical assistance at the Social Security Institute, you have to go to a charity hospital if you get sick....if you are on sick leave or disability for more than 3 days, the ISS will pay you 80% of your salary (ah! but only up to 4 minimum salaries....so the maximum per month if you make $700 or above is $560)....

  4. tinapbeana Says:
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    m.i., you are right, this post is definitely geared towards those in the US which has an established unemployment practice. i apoloigize for making that assumption, but i have to say i enjoy hearing what the standards and requirements are elsewhere in the world. thanks for sharing the details for El Salvador

  5. Bookie Says:
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    That's one of the best explanations I've seen of the workings and implications of unemployment vs. an EF. Very impressive.

  6. Gruntina Says:
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    I would like to have an EF but I opt to pay off +60K unsecured debt instead of building an EF. I am now down to the last 7K. But I have to admit the reason I felt safe to do this is I had a clear discussion with my family who were very supportive of me paying off my debts and they all offered to be my EF in the case if I ever needed it with absolute emergency. So far I had not had to do that. Once this is paid off (hopefully by the end of Dec this year) I will build up my EF. I really appreciate what my family is doing for me.

  7. Lau Says:
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    I gotta go with Ima's answer on this one... I need to know that there is money in the bank just in case, even if it's not a lot of money. Should we pay our CC's debt with this money? Probably.

  8. tinapbeana Says:
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    thx for the complement, bookie Blush like i mentioned in the post, having to actually deal with the unemployment office actually cleared up a lot of questions for me.

    ima et al: i would LOVE to have a big beefy EF right now, without doubt! luckily i don't sleep well at night anyways, so there's no loss there Wink seriously, that is part of why i bought this house, it was intended as a short term investment that DH & i could live in long term if we wanted or needed to. b/c of the housing market and relatively low cost work we've done, we could probably sell our house for 20-30% more than we owe on it just 3 months after buying. in way way, that's an EF in and of itself.

    for now, that is!

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